[its-hackers] acronym for MUDDLE

Jack Haverty jack at 3kitty.org
Sun Sep 26 20:11:11 CEST 2021

Aaah, thanks, that fills in some gaps.  I never knew who created the 
"muddling" parody, but it makes sense that it came from the AI crowd.

I agree that the goals of DMCG were vague.   The best I remember was the 
goal to "use computers to assist human activities", which is pretty 
broad.   "Computer Graphics" was pretty clear, but I'm still not sure 
exactly what "Dynamic Models" were.

Curious that, despite AV's persistent efforts, Muddle survives today, 
sometimes abbreviated MDL.   Still laughing.

I'd love to see Muddle introduced into NodeRed, especially the 
programming/debugging elements.   Tweaking NodeRed involves using json, 
which I find not very user-friendly.


On 9/26/21 10:09 AM, Chris Reeve wrote:
> My recollection is slightly different. At the time of Muddle's 
> creation Gerald Sussman and Carl Hewitt in the AI lab and Dave 
> Cressey, Bruce Daniels and I were in the Dynamic Modelling and 
> Computer Graphics (DMCG) group. Since the goals of DMCG were not very 
> well defined so Sussman and Hewitt referred to us as the Dynamic 
> Muddling group and Muddle was taken from that. It is quite possible 
> that we used the "We are muddling around" line once we started working 
> on Muddle. As you probably know when we were forced to change the name 
> "Muddle" to "MDL", internally MDL meant Muddle died laughing.
> -Chris
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 9:49 PM rrs0 at earthlink.net 
> <mailto:rrs0 at earthlink.net> <rrs0 at earthlink.net 
> <mailto:rrs0 at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>     If this doesn't make it to its-hackers, Lars you might want to
>     forward this to its-hackers
>     When I asked GFP ,BKD, and maybe CLR, what MUDDLE stud for. I was
>     told it wasn't an acronym when
>     MUDDLE was created. People would walk by the MUDDLE creators and
>     ask what they doing. There reply
>     Was "We are muddling around". Chris correct me if I got this wrong.
>     The best acronym made up after the fact was "Mac Users Dynamic
>     Debugging List Evaluator"
>     Rick
>     > On Sep 24, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <lars at nocrew.org
>     <mailto:lars at nocrew.org>> wrote:
>     >
>     > Eric Swenson <eric at swenson.org <mailto:eric at swenson.org>> writes:
>     >> We could find out if it was a universal thing by asking folks like
>     >> TAA, MARC, Barbara Liskov, and other DM folks who were there at the
>     >> same time that I was at LCS.
>     >
>     > I ask ed Barbara Liskov, and she only knew about "eye tee ess".
>     >

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